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rich.carroll

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What a Revoltin' Development
« on: December 05, 2013, 12:04:52 AM »
In Georgia, a Nissan Leaf owner plugged into an outside outlet at his child's school.  He apparently used about 5 ¢ worth of electricity.   The Chamblee, GA police department came to his home 11 days later and arrested the Leaf owner, holding him in a cell for fifteen hours for 'theft by taking.'

See: http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/oddnews/electric-car-owner-arrested--held-in-jail-over-stealing-5-cents-worth-of-energy-213232582.html

The dad pointed out to the police that, "cellphones and laptops are regularly charged at businesses by their owners without the seeking of permission first." 

EV drivers beware, some businesses, schools or government agencies are obviously trying to keep their electrons in their own power lines.
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Re: What a Revoltin' Development
« Reply #1 on: December 06, 2013, 04:45:17 PM »
Absurd!  The police there obviously have too much time on their hands!

The few times in the past when i needed a booster charge, i always asked.    All but one time they said "ok" or "sure".  The one "no" was from a shop-owner  that apparently feared some sort of liability issue.   

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Re: What a Revoltin' Development
« Reply #2 on: December 07, 2013, 12:00:40 AM »
This was my response on insideevs the other day.

People plugging in without asking give all *EV owners a bad reputation. Don’t steal “fuel”. A large car does not look/seem the same to the public as a small cell phone being plugged in. They don’t use the same amount of electricity either. They are not in the same frame-of-mind to the public.

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If the cords that cell phones use to charge were as thick as the ones EVs use to charge, then people would also be calling the police. It’s about the public’s perception of how much electricity is being taken (thick cord = a lot of electric, thin cord = miniscule amount of electricity).

I don’t just charger my cell phone anywhere. 99.9% at home. I’ve done it at hotel rooms, airports (many have phone charging stations), my car, etc. I wouldn’t pull into a parking garage, or upto someones house on the street, or a business and look for and outdoor plug for my cell phone.
Public perception people and *EV acceptability. Don’t steal your cars fuel.


http://insideevs.com/police-issue-statement-on-why-the-electricity-stealing-nissan-leaf-driver-was-really-arrested-wvideo/

The local authorities have issued a statement, which we regard as the truth in the matter.  What was once thought to be unfair treatment of an electric vehicle owner will now be viewed in an entirely different light.
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“We received a 911 call advising that someone was plugged into the power outlet behind the middle school. The responding officer located the vehicle in the rear of the building at the kitchen loading dock up against the wall with a cord run to an outlet. The officer spent some time trying to determine whose vehicle it was. It was unlocked and he eventually began looking through the interior after verifying it did not belong to the school system.”

“The officer, his marked patrol vehicle and the electric vehicle were all in clear view of the tennis courts. Eventually, a man on the courts told the officer that the man playing tennis with him owned the vehicle. The officer went to the courts and interviewed the vehicle owner. The officer’s initial incident report gives a good indication of how difficult and argumentative the individual was to deal with. He made no attempt to apologize or simply say oops and he wouldn’t do it again. Instead he continued being argumentative, acknowledged he did not have permission and then accused the officer of having damaged his car door. The officer told him that was not true and that the vehicle and existing damage was already on his vehicles video camera from when he drove up.”

“Given the uncooperative attitude and accusations of damage to his vehicle, the officer chose to document the incident on an incident report. The report was listed as misdemeanor theft by taking. The officer had no way of knowing how much power had been consumed, how much it cost nor how long it had been charging.”

“The report made its way to Sgt Ford’s desk for a follow up investigation. He contacted the middle school and inquired of several administrative personnel whether the individual had permission to use power. He was advised no. Sgt. Ford showed a photo to the school resource officer who recognized Mr. Kamooneh. Sgt Ford was further advised that Mr. Kamooneh had previously been advised he was not allowed on the school tennis courts without permission from the school . This was apparently due to his interfering with the use of the tennis courts previously during school hours.”

“Based upon the totality of these circumstances and without any expert advice on the amount of electricity that may have been used, Sgt Ford signed a theft warrant. The warrant was turned over to the DeKalb Sheriffs Dept for service because the individual lived in Decatur, not Chamblee. This is why he was arrested at a later time.”

“I am sure that Sgt. Ford was feeling defensive when he said a theft is a theft and he would do it again. Ultimately, Sgt. Ford did make the decision to pursue the theft charges, but the decision was based on Mr. Kamooneh having been advised that he was not allowed on the property without permission. Had he complied with that notice none of this would have occurred. Mr. Kamooneh’s son is not a student at the middle school and he was not the one playing tennis. Mr. Kamooneh was taking lessons himself.”

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Re: What a Revoltin' Development
« Reply #3 on: December 07, 2013, 12:57:22 PM »
Thanks, Scott for the additional information.  That certainly explains the situation in much greater detail and begins to make the unfortunate incident one that, perhaps, makes sense.  Of all the explanations, the part that gets to the heart of the matter is:

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Sgt. Ford did make the decision to pursue the theft charges, but the decision was based on Mr. Kamooneh having been advised that he was not allowed on the property without permission.


I appreciate the additional details, and wish the press, who need to pursue "sensational" stories, had gone into greater depth.  Unfortunately, too frequently, the sensibility provided by greater depth doesn't sell as many ads.

Thanks again for the update with additional details.  You are completely correct when you say the incident: 
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will now be viewed in an entirely different light.

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Re: What a Revoltin' Development
« Reply #4 on: December 07, 2013, 07:17:21 PM »
Yes, thanks for the details Scott!    i draw the same conclusion, don't steal electricity, just ask.  And another conclusion, don't be a douche-bag to an officer.  It may feel "good" at the time, but...